When I lived in Hanoi, Prince Andrew came to visit.
By accident, or design, he happened to be in town when it was the Queen’s Birthday. To mark the occasion Brits were invited to the Embassy to shake his hand and presumably ask him to pass on their best wishes to his Mam.
The general consensus was “ick”.
The British contingent wasn’t so small but was still almost invisible. For the Americans there was actually an American Club. The Aussie’s had a regular Friday night barbie at “Matilda’s”. The French were always doing something particularly cultural.
When I worked at KOTO it was commonplace for visiting Australians to give out little furry koalas with Aussie flags to the kids. When the “Socceroos” came to town I cringed at long-time expat Australians cheering on their team against a Vietnamese side with half their size, strength and investment.
Honestly – I’d have loved to see smug tossers Lampard, Gerrard and all well and truly thumped in Hanoi. What fun.
Elsewhere, while there was something called the American Spouses Club – the concept of Brits doing the same was too weird. Brits really didn’t seek out Brits in the same way.
We didn’t like to celebrate our royalty much either(though even the Aussies had a day off back home for Liz’s birthday). The thought of our national anthem being played anywhere was horrific.
Okay so the British Council would stick its head up above the parapet from time to time. But for the most part it was on a more business level – flogging British Universities to rich Asian kids.
Personally the most nationalistic I can ever recall being, was when I heard The Beatles on a cafe stereo.
The point is for the most part we don’t really do nationalism – it’s for an embarrassing minority. From the point of view of most Brits, nationalism is for a dwindling daft, sad and occasionally sinister group - skinheads, Tory grannies, retired majors, Sun hacks and the terminally naff.
Okay, so in the UK you could point to a few flag-waving run ups to football championships - but visible as it might be it’s still a minority. Let’s face it, while nationalism is upped in these instances no one is really hoping that Rooney “knocks one in for the Queen.”
Ironically enough, when mixing with other nations I was proud of our lack of pride. Our lack of jingoism was something I really could believe in.
In the end it turned out that the British unique selling points were: No flag waving. No nationalism. No rose-tinted nostalgia for the UK and the ability to be objective about our country.
Now it’s suggested that we should pledge allegiance, salute the Queen, boost nationalism etc.
In doing so they’re taking away the only bit of being British I was ever proud of.






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March 15, 2008 at 10:42 am
Mosh
What I notice is that you use “British” a lot, and that’s what gets me. I posted something similar on my blog this week as well. The Scots seem to have a national identity of which they’re proud. The Welsh are getting there as well, even having their own language used prominantly on signs, etc. The Irish actually have a day off work for their national holiday.
England?
Erm. We’re anonymous. We’re not *allowed* to be proud, it seems. Go to Oz an everything is “made in Australia”, “Australian owned”, “Proud to be manufactured in Australia”. Even in Gretna Green, the souvenirs are “made in Scotland”.
In England, they’re “Made in the UK”, or more often made in China… It’s not politically correct to be proud of being British or English. The thugs and skinheads pretty much ruined that for us. And the current political “leadership” has ruined the country as it stands these days as well.
March 15, 2008 at 11:00 am
Stephen Davies
I’m proud to be British. Proud to be English also. I’m proud of being from the North East and proud of my ‘pit village’ background. I like the Queen but don’t care much for the rest of them though. I think it’s great that we welcome all nationalities into this country and I’m proud that London is the most multicultural city in the world.
It’s shameful that people can’t fly the Union Jack in fear of being labeled racist. We’re a great nation; admittedly with faults like our track record in history and the tossers we have in power better known as politicians, but a great nation nonetheless.
You’re right though. Brits would ever have an equivalent to the American Spouses Club. We’re just not that anal. Still proud though.
March 15, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Mosh
I’m a little confused in that I’m proud to be English and - moreso - a Geordie. But at the same time I’m ashamed of my country and what it’s becoming.
Not a nice combination :(
March 15, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Diehard Geordie
I am glad I am me, a Geordie and English.
I did like being British, but as the Scots, North Ireland and Wales now want to be Scot, Irish and Welsh, guess British no longer fits. Their loss - not mine.
I don’t want to flag wave, grovel or shove it down anybodies throat. If it comes to the bottom line - I am a human warts and all.
I like the King/Queen as Head of State - would have done my nut if any of our past prime ministers had been like a President. So I guess I am not a republican. But maybe we could say King + Partner and Heir and spare the rest become commoners.
I always thought that - ‘oh let them all get on with it - just do not push your luck too far - a Brit aroused is not a nice person’.
Trouble is ‘they’ are beginning to shove a bit - and that spells trouble.
March 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Diehard Geordie
There is an error in the above comment.
it should read ‘ an Englishman/woman aroused it not a nice person’.
March 16, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Graham
There are a couple of times I got riled about Britishness/Western-ness…
Coming home to hear people whining about TV and radio and how it’s all bollocks and why do we pay the license fee etc.? Well… go spend an evening in the outer reaches of Burma and see hundreds of people gather around to listen to the World Service in Burmese reports - although the World Service is not supported by the license fee… Watch Vietnamese state run TV for more than a day and you’ll pay your British license fee just to turn it off. I find it very sad that it looks as if the license fee and all that it funds is going down the pan - you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone etc.
Secondly, voting in elections. I went with my wife to vote in the second round of the French local elections today. The toad and me played football in the school playground outside the polling station while smartly dressed folk poured in and tramps with dogs and bottles of spirits along with students, the place was busy and got me thinking of a report on BBC podcast last week when Hugh Sykes reported from inside a polling station in Iraq when a suicide bomber blew him or herself up outside. How many of these folk I saw in France this AM, and more importantly how many of those who stayed at home and could not be arsed to vote, would turn out if getting blown up was a real possibility?
Humbug, mumble, mumble…