Okay just one quick grump.
I am hopefully going to attend Thinking Digital at the Sage Gateshead. It looks quite interesting.
But why, whenever I come across events that are all a bit web2.0, are their event blogs so awful? Okay, so do they look nice and the writing and content is fine.
But virtually no comments. Isn’t that the whole point of web2.0? I have commented here but, as I write, the day after I posted it, my comment is yet to be moderated. Crap by even the most average blogging standards.
Surely it would be worthwhile for an event like this, that charges several hundred pounds a ticket, to have a full time blogger. They should be getting local bloggers on board and be building a community around this event. If you had done all the work to get these pages up, wouldn’t you be twisting arms to get the interaction happening?
Right now the host is passing out the drinks and things on sticks and none of the guests are saying a word. This place is dead anyway.
Likewise their Flickr page is just going through the motions and ticking boxes. Look, they’ll be saying, we have a Flickr page! I’m not sure why the bothered.
If you’re going to tell us about blogging then, at the very least, can you learn to do it yourselves first. I know these sites are set up by techies and it all looks just lovely. But can’t someone actually just give the whole “conversation” thing a kick start?
Web2.0 is conversation - it isn’t just pretty stuff. If you don’t understand this then what is it you can teach me?
Or put it another way, how come your average one-man-and-a-laptop-blog is nearly always vastly superior to corporate effort? A quick hint - it’s not what it looks like, it’s what you do with it.
Side note: My comment was a quick protest at the advertised Mac Humour of the Fake Steve Jobs who is to appear (he makes jokes about Microsoft..ooh no stop it). Further Mac grumblings here.
Update: I signed up. Hope it’s worth it. In my sign-up email I got the link to the Facebook group. Okay. Good. Ticking all the boxes etc. We got this. We got that. Call me old fashioned though, but if I was the Conference Producer I’m not sure I’d want all potential delegates having access to my holiday photos. Web2.0 can go too far. Think privacy settings people and maybe Flickr for Business and Facebook for Pleasure. You gotta have a system. Make the divide.
Update 2: Unless I am mistaken my stats point to an email being opened and a link being clicked for this post. It was sent to the conference big cheese with the title: “Slightly dodgy comments on blog”. Ah well. I think we made our point.






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April 23, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Lewis
Hi… comments duly noted (and moderated… at last!).
Too much thinking digital and not enough doing it yesterday, I’m afraid. ;-) Cheers for your feedback, though.
April 23, 2008 at 1:38 pm
ourmanwhere
Thanks for stopping by Lewis. Good luck with the event - my grumblings aside it should be good for the region though I might have to brush up on Steve Jobs anecdotes to see me through the week conversationally.
April 23, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Pete
Actually, the Fake Steve Jobs guy is of note because he’s really funny. And a very successful blogger, who managed to operate an A-list blog whilst holding down his main job at one of the US’s main media outlets. Did you read the interview, where he states that he’s never been to Scotland before? Heh. Sometimes, I find it hard to work out your bias against things with an apple on them.
Maybe I’m biased against events like these though, as I see this as another stupid businessman’s club, where people with corporate expense accounts will talk about the value of using 2.0 in a business sense. Usually without ever fully understanding what the point is.
April 23, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Lewis
Thanks ourman. I hope there’ll be plenty more besides Fake Steve to keep you talking, mind you.
April 23, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Abby
All library conferences have live-bloggers. We’re futuristic like that.
April 23, 2008 at 3:42 pm
ourmanwhere
Pete,
I am not biased against Apple. I think it’s the same as I feel against Stephen Fry - I am sure both are wonderful - just can we stop staying how wonderful they are.
I’m not so much bored of them- they’re nice people/product but its the constant agreeing with each other just how good they are that bugs me.
Does that make sense? It is nothing vindictive. I just don’t want to be in a room with people comparing there Apple expenditure and sniggering microsoft. I am sure Apple are a million times better than Microsoft - but I really don’t care. The computer is the tool - not the message.
Pete, regarding expense account businessmen, agreed. I’m public sector so that might actually be worse. Not sure. But you’re right, I think people don’t get the point - which was my original post’s point.
You can spend your millions on your flash websites but the whole point of web2.0 is that it is largely free AND it gives the power back to the people and take it away from the media. That is what I am interested in. That and that whole conversation thing.
Being a public sector servant I want to find out how best to use it to help tell people about all those things that communities need to know.
Abby - libraries. God love ‘em. Newcastle library actually has a youtube account with a film of its old city centre sites demolition. The new place will be pretty swanky apparently.
April 23, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Pete
If you dive deep into flickr, somewhere there is a photoset of librarians getting drunk in the old Newcastle Library, on its last night before being closed.
I hope that you can write some live-blog style updates of the conference. Maybe even do some vignettes of people you meet there, because I’d dearly like to know who goes out to this sort of thing. Are they going to be as clueless as the people who are in charge of websites in the art world?
April 23, 2008 at 6:01 pm
ourmanwhere
Pete - I’ll have to track down that film. That’d be quite a nostalgic party. I’ve never been lucky enough to have where I worked knocked down ;o)
As regards live blog. I’ll try. One of my many pet hates is live blogging. Blurry images from events. What Steve Jobs may have said but I’m not sure type stuff. Just seen Clare from accounts and aren’t the sandwiches crap etc.
However, no doubt I’ll be writing something. In the end though I guess it’s not like I am going for any other reason than anyone else in the respect that I want to represent my employers, show my face and hopefully learn something.
Then again I reckon I can split work me and Ourman me so expect something.
April 24, 2008 at 10:28 am
L.
I had a look at the Thinking Digital conference when it was announced and thought that it sounded fairly interesting (*apart* from Kurzweil who I have no time for) but then I saw the price. Ridiculous - those prices exclude the people who ought to be there and attract the people who have been told they ought to be there but don;t really know why
April 24, 2008 at 12:51 pm
ourmanwhere
L, absolutely agreed. I wouldn’t pay it myself in a month of Sunday’s.
If they really wanted to do the blog thing properly and get some creativity and community in to all this - why don’t they put up some free tickets for local bloggers to use who are not in the employment of large agencies. I bet there are also some students who could teach us all - no doubt there are quite a few 13 year olds how could too.
Why not get them there to live blog it.
These are the ones who would contribute the most and pass on the most knowledge to the suits with more cash than web know-how.
Let’s hope those Codeworks people are still reading this thread. If they are, then what do you reckon?
L (and anyone else) why not put your comment on their blog linked above and suggest they make some free or at least cheaper tickets available.
April 25, 2008 at 2:28 pm
L.
I’ll take a free ticket :-)
Trouble is I suspect that all the people who actually forked out the money might get a tad hacked off at all these freeloaders hanging around and just generally looking messy and unable to afford large amounts of money for tickets. They might also ask awkward questions! (though it would be easy to ask Kurtzweil an awkward question : what the hell are you talking about man?)
May 9, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Lewis
Hey guys — yep, still checking in on your blog from time to time! All comments re pricing are being taken into account.
Worth pointing out that the prices were significantly cheaper if you booked early on (I’m not saying ‘cheap’, mind you, but we feel the conference content will be good value for money. For the speaker line-up we’ve got, you’d usually have to get on a plane across the Atlantic before you even paid the ticket price.)
Tickets were also available for £175 to companies who’re part of our membership organisation, Codeworks Connect, which supports local digital businesses.
That’s not exactly free, of course… but like I say, we will be taking into account any feedback we get on pricing (and anything else, for that matter).
May 9, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Lewis
Oh. And the ’slightly dodgy comments’ email would be from me to flag it up with ‘the big cheese.’
Now where the heck are my privacy settings for stopping that? Very impressed ;-)
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